podcast 010: why connection becomes before success
In this episode, Deb sits down with Gretchen Miller Bush to explore what it means to live a fully integrated life—one where career, relationships, and identity coexist without perfection, but with deep purpose.
"There is absolutely no flourishing without relationship."
Gretchen shares how her decades in a high-powered legal career, combined with motherhood and a long, evolving marriage, have shaped her view of success and self-worth. From navigating the myth of “having it all” to redefining retirement as an encore season, this conversation is a masterclass in living with intention.
They also unpack the challenges (and surprising hope) of parenting Gen Z in a digital world, and why now—more than ever—the human experience requires real connection. If you’re questioning what’s next, or how to show up fully in the season you’re in, this one’s for you.
Key Highlights:
Why human flourishing isn’t about balance—it’s about integration
The power of relationships in sustaining our sense of self and joy
How the "big job" identity can complicate retirement and self-worth
Parenting Gen Z with presence (and hope) in a digital-first world
What it looks like to embrace the encore season with agency and love
About Our Guest:
Gretchen Miller Busch is a partner and management board member at a top national law firm, where she is leading initiatives to center connection, collaboration, and culture in one of the country’s most competitive industries. She is also a proud Gen X mom, wife, and advocate for redefining what thriving looks like in modern leadership.
About The HX Collective:
The HX Collective is a movement to elevate the human experience—at work, in relationships, and with ourselves. Through honest conversations and strategic insight, we explore how connection, context, and compassion can create a more flourishing world, starting right where we are.
