podcast 028: the four forms of wealth we rarely measure
In this episode of The HX Collective Podcast, Deb is joined by Gillian Stovel Rivers (Canada-based wealth coach, business owner, powerlifter, and host of The Flourish Feed) for a conversation that quietly flips traditional wealth management on its head.
“We’re not offering people faster horses when they really need something different.” - Gillian Stovel Rivers
You’ll hear why so many people with plenty of resources still feel stressed, unfulfilled, or uncertain and how Gillian’s Flourish Framework bridges the gap between wealth on paper and wealth in your body. Together, they explore Gillian’s Four Forms of Wealth (time, energy, attention, money), the Five Factors of Flourishing rooted in long-term research, and the mindset shift that turns “retirement” from an endpoint into base camp for the most meaningful season of life.
If you’ve ever wondered why “more money” hasn’t automatically created more peace, this episode gives you a new lens and a practical way forward.
Gillian introduces a more human definition of wealth, one that accounts for the millions of moments between the typical money milestones.
Key Highlights:
The surprising reason “retirement” might be the wrong word entirely
Why wealthy people still carry a constant internal security alarm and how it hijacks attention
The “game pieces vs. the game board” metaphor that reframes what’s actually happening in midlife and beyond
Gillian’s Four Forms of Wealth and why attention may be your most fragile asset
The Five Factors of Flourishing (and why “achievement + growth” gets dropped too early)
What an abundance mindset sounds like in real life: “We have a problem. We have too much.”
The dissonance of mission + caregiving, and why curiosity is the bridge back to full expression
A simple “3 by 30” that turns feeling wealthy into a daily practice not a someday destination
About Our Guest:
Anne Marie Nest is a trainer, coach, and consultant who helps individuals and organizations amplify voice for better outcomes, performance, and profitability. With a background as a professional performer and professor in higher education, she now works with leaders and teams especially in high-stakes professional environments, to build resonant communication, values-led leadership, and cultures where people can speak and be heard.
About The HX Collective:
The HX Collective is a movement to elevate the human experience—at work, in relationships, and with ourselves. Through honest conversations and strategic insight, we explore how connection, context, and compassion can create a more flourishing world, starting right where we are.
